先生起行征思田，德洪与汝中追送严滩[1]。汝中举佛家「实相」、「幻相」之说。
先生曰：「有心俱是实，无心俱是幻。无心俱是实，有心俱是幻。」
汝中曰：「『有心俱是实，无心俱是幻』，是本体上说工夫。『无心俱是实，有心俱是幻』，是工夫上说本体。」
先生然其言。
洪于是时尚未了达[2]。数年用功，始信本体、工夫合一。但先生是时因问偶谈；若吾儒指点人处，不必借此立言耳。
先生启程征思恩田州，德洪与汝中追送到严滩。汝中举佛家「实相」「幻相」之说。
先生说：「有心俱是实，无心俱是幻；无心俱是实，有心俱是幻。」
汝中说：「『有心俱是实，无心俱是幻』，是从本体上说功夫；『无心俱是实，有心俱是幻』，是从功夫上说本体。」
先生肯定了他的话。
我当时尚未了达。数年用功，才信本体与功夫合一。但先生当时是因问偶谈，我们儒家指点人处，不必借这话立言罢了。
As the Master set out for Si'en and Tianzhou, Dehong and Ruzhong followed him to Yantan. Ruzhong raised the Buddhists' real aspect and illusory aspect.
The Master said: 'With mind, all is real; without mind, all illusion. Without mind, all is real; with mind, all illusion.'
Ruzhong said: 'With mind real, without mind illusion — that is the work said upon the substance. Without mind real, with mind illusion — the substance said upon the work.'
The Master allowed his words.
I had not then fully reached it; years of work brought me to trust the oneness of substance and work. But the Master spoke then by chance, out of the question; where we Confucians point the way for men, we need not borrow this for doctrine.
- 在今浙江桐庐县南。
- 俞本，「达」作「迨」，连下读。